Sarah NICHOLSON, 18121880 (aged 67 years)

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Sarah /NICHOLSON/
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Sarah
Surname
NICHOLSON
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Sarah /GREGORY/
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married name
Given names
Sarah
Surname
GREGORY
BirthGregory Family Bible
BirthDeath Certificate - Sarah Gregory (Nicholson)
BirthEmails - Jan Gregory
Citation details: Email from Jan Gregory 15/3/2005
Text:

Display all headers From: Jan Gregory Subject: Re: William Greaves Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:38:53 +1100 To: "Stuart Gregory"

Thanks, Stuart,

First, my sister told me she didn't like my answering by inserting - to write an entire email. (That's in discussion about our Mother who is rapidly going downhill.) However, I find it easy to insert, change colour and thus refer to specific comments.

On 15/03/2005, at 12:14 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote:

With regard to William and Sarah, you write as though you have not seen the certificate of marriage (transcribed).

No, I hadn't seen the transcription. I have the actual copy from the register. Word is clearly widower next to William. The next one certainly has a "drag line" after the last w in widow but isn't clearly widower.

The handwritten Alex has a scrawl next to it which could be a shortened form of the name Alexander.

You also write about Sarah arriving by ship under the name Nicholson. I am not aware of any information about how or when she arrived; whether she was a free settler or a convict. All I know is what is contained in her Death Certificate, a copy of which I have attached for your information. Actual year probably not known by John, the informant.Based on this certificate she would have arrived in Australia around 1834.

Shipping reel 1286

Sarah arrived 31 Oct 1837 on "Andromache". age 25 b 30 Oct 1812 Egremont Parish, Cumberland

house servant, Episcopalian

Protection of James BELSHER and family

(He was 30, - farmer from Comber Down, Nthn Ireland, + wife, Mary 27 + 4 chn.)

Ian Gregory puts her as being under the protection of Rev William Sowerby. He was on the ship but I wrote the above. Hence I've asked Philip to check this reel.

If our William Gregory is not William Greaves, then how did our William come to Australia and when?

This is the task: I believe we have two definite facts. Marriage in Manchester on 30 March 1828 then possible bits. Next fact is marriage in Sydney 20 August 1838.

Shipping records could be read in case William came as a ship's carpenter. He might have come steerage and we'll never find it if the ship's logger merely wrote "and 43 steerage passengers". He might have come, as William b 1839 stated as informant at death, "64 years" from 1893. To read the records requires lots of time. One day ....

At the birth of your William in 1839, the abode was Fort St which is near Harbour Bridge.

To muddy the waters a little bit more, it is my understanding that a William Greaves (Grieve) of the Lloyds applied to marry a free settler in 1845 in Parramatta. This was around the time the second child Eliza was born of the William Greaves you have researched. Are there two William Greaves? Not to the extent of confusing the issue. Was there a Willeam Greaves and a William Grieve both transported on the Lloyds? Maybe they arrived at different times?

NSW/Vic/Tas/WA - 433 matches for all BMDs for GREAVES 1788 - 1888

modified to NSW - 140 matches

modified to NSW + William - 8 matches

Only relevant - marriage 1841, birth William J 1843, death 1875

William GRIEVES in NSW - 4 records

William GRIEVE in NSW - 10 records one being William GRIEVE = Ann NOWLAN Parramatta Presbyterian in 1845.

I don't know when the above William GRIEVE arrived.

Perhaps we need to get this certificate: V1841542 25C/1841 GREAVES WILLIAM CONOLLY SUSAN CT

I copied this from register yesterday. That's what I was quoting. However, the copy is poor. I told Philip last night that it would have to be redone if needed for the book. In this morning's light, after Maitland, it could be Bond T of L.

Also, as a bit of background and an aside, I attach a photo each of William and Ann's grave and William and Sarah's grave both at Sandgate cemetery, Newcastle.

Obviously some work is needed here on a working bee!!! Thanks for these!

Best wishes,

Jan

Quality of data: secondary evidence
ChristeningEmails - Jan Gregory
Citation details: Email of 16 Aug 2005
Text:

Dear Stuart, I have the family info and I don't know why Sarah doesn't show. Here is her individual entry. I've used the IGI plus Whitehaven Record Office to go back a few generations from Dennis and Mary. I've also gone the other way and traced Sarah's siblings and their chn. Should have written to one I found but haven't got "round tuit". I actually haven't been able to unzip but I'll ask son, David in the morning and email if I can't. Thanks for sending files. Sarah was baptised in Egremont Church. We attended a morning service there. However, the actually building isn't the one in which she would have gone. The one there now was built, from memory in abt 1870. We then went to St Bees Church which is the actual building in which Dennis Nicholson was baptised in 1789. Regards, Jan IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree

SARAH NICHOLSON Female Event(s): Birth: 30 OCT 1812 Christening: 03 NOV 1812 Egremont, Cumberland, England Death: Burial: Parents: Father: DENNIS NICHOLSON Family Mother: MARY

Quality of data: secondary evidence
ChristeningThe Newcastle Connection: A Gregory Family History
Citation details: Page 9
ImmigrationDeath Certificate - Sarah Gregory (Nicholson)
ImmigrationThe Mystery of William Gregory
ImmigrationState Records Authority of New South Wales
Citation details: Shipping reel 1286
MarriageMarriage Certificate - William Gregory and Sarah Nicholson
Note: This certificate states that both William and Sarah were widowers [sic].
OccupationEmails - Jan Gregory
Citation details: Email from Jan Gregory 15 March 2005
Text:

Display all headers From: Jan Gregory Subject: Re: William Greaves Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:38:53 +1100 To: "Stuart Gregory"

Thanks, Stuart,

First, my sister told me she didn't like my answering by inserting - to write an entire email. (That's in discussion about our Mother who is rapidly going downhill.) However, I find it easy to insert, change colour and thus refer to specific comments.

On 15/03/2005, at 12:14 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote:

With regard to William and Sarah, you write as though you have not seen the certificate of marriage (transcribed).

No, I hadn't seen the transcription. I have the actual copy from the register. Word is clearly widower next to William. The next one certainly has a "drag line" after the last w in widow but isn't clearly widower.

The handwritten Alex has a scrawl next to it which could be a shortened form of the name Alexander.

You also write about Sarah arriving by ship under the name Nicholson. I am not aware of any information about how or when she arrived; whether she was a free settler or a convict. All I know is what is contained in her Death Certificate, a copy of which I have attached for your information. Actual year probably not known by John, the informant.Based on this certificate she would have arrived in Australia around 1834.

Shipping reel 1286

Sarah arrived 31 Oct 1837 on "Andromache". age 25 b 30 Oct 1812 Egremont Parish, Cumberland

house servant, Episcopalian

Protection of James BELSHER and family

(He was 30, - farmer from Comber Down, Nthn Ireland, + wife, Mary 27 + 4 chn.)

Ian Gregory puts her as being under the protection of Rev William Sowerby. He was on the ship but I wrote the above. Hence I've asked Philip to check this reel.

If our William Gregory is not William Greaves, then how did our William come to Australia and when?

This is the task: I believe we have two definite facts. Marriage in Manchester on 30 March 1828 then possible bits. Next fact is marriage in Sydney 20 August 1838.

Shipping records could be read in case William came as a ship's carpenter. He might have come steerage and we'll never find it if the ship's logger merely wrote "and 43 steerage passengers". He might have come, as William b 1839 stated as informant at death, "64 years" from 1893. To read the records requires lots of time. One day ....

At the birth of your William in 1839, the abode was Fort St which is near Harbour Bridge.

To muddy the waters a little bit more, it is my understanding that a William Greaves (Grieve) of the Lloyds applied to marry a free settler in 1845 in Parramatta. This was around the time the second child Eliza was born of the William Greaves you have researched. Are there two William Greaves? Not to the extent of confusing the issue. Was there a Willeam Greaves and a William Grieve both transported on the Lloyds? Maybe they arrived at different times?

NSW/Vic/Tas/WA - 433 matches for all BMDs for GREAVES 1788 - 1888

modified to NSW - 140 matches

modified to NSW + William - 8 matches

Only relevant - marriage 1841, birth William J 1843, death 1875

William GRIEVES in NSW - 4 records

William GRIEVE in NSW - 10 records one being William GRIEVE = Ann NOWLAN Parramatta Presbyterian in 1845.

I don't know when the above William GRIEVE arrived.

Perhaps we need to get this certificate: V1841542 25C/1841 GREAVES WILLIAM CONOLLY SUSAN CT

I copied this from register yesterday. That's what I was quoting. However, the copy is poor. I told Philip last night that it would have to be redone if needed for the book. In this morning's light, after Maitland, it could be Bond T of L.

Also, as a bit of background and an aside, I attach a photo each of William and Ann's grave and William and Sarah's grave both at Sandgate cemetery, Newcastle.

Obviously some work is needed here on a working bee!!! Thanks for these!

Best wishes,

Jan

Quality of data: secondary evidence
MarriageMarriage Certificate - William Gregory and Sarah Nicholson
Citation details: 1601 Vol:22
Gregory-Nicholson
Gregory-Nicholson

Note: This is a transcription of the church parish register.
MarriageGregory Family Bible
MarriageGregory-William-Bible
MarriageG - Marriages Registered in New South Wales
Citation details: 1601/1838 V18381601 22 GREGORY WILLIAM NICHOLSON SARAH CA
ResidenceBaptism Certificate - William Gregory 1839
ResidenceBirth Certificate - Joseph GREGORY
Text:

At the time of the birth of her son Joseph

Community InvolvementEmails - Jan Gregory
Citation details: Email sent 30 March, 2006
Text:

To: Stuart Gregory From: Jan Gregory Subject: Fwd: Birth Dates Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:23:24 +1000

Here are the birth dates I have on file. The Gregory family attended "Church of St John the Evangelist" C of E, Cooks Hill, Newcastle, Newcastle City Library has the church records on microfilm for Marriages and Birth, they are scanned copies of the original registers so are in date order. Some time towards 1890 the family changed to "St Augustine's" C of E at Merewether, only the marriage records are available for this Church.

In the Federal Directory of Newcastle & District 1901 page 180/181 Religions. William Gregory was a Lay Representative for the Parish of Merewether in the 3 session of the Twelfth synod of the Diocese of Newcastle held at Newcastle in May, 1900. - (You might already have this information). I've asked Maree if there's anything to confirm it was "our William" (1839 - 1931)

GREGORY Aimee Aggett b 3.5.1885 Junction Alan Nicholson b 14.6.1884 - Junction Alice b. 3.5.1880 Arthur James b. 12.2.1882 Arthur William Walter b. 8.7.1877 Junction d. 1877 Ella b.13.10.1866 Burwood, Eva Mary b. 22.6.1888 - Glebeland Eva May b. 13.6.1880 - Junction Fred Nicholson b 7.12.1883 Burwood George Christopher b 22.7.1865 Burwood, d. 1865 Newcastle George Charles b.19.1.1869 Burwood Harry Nicholson b. 10.2.1874 Herbert John James b 28.12.1870 c.26.3.1871 (not on Sandgate records) Interstate?? This is one for whom I have found nothing else. To WA looking for gold??? Boer War?? I have no other clues. The death cert of John George should list all chn still living. Joseph James b 4.1.1875 Minnie Nicholson b. 26.8.1881 Burwood Richard James b 3.7.1868 - Newcastle

Agnes HOOKWAY b 15.5.1878 Burwood Ann Nicholson HOOKWAY b 5.12.1868 Newcastle Eleanor Bertha HOOKWAY b. 7.5.1875 Darby St, Newcastle

Ethel HOOKWAY b. 9.2.1871 Newcastle William John HOOKWAY b. 17.12.1872 Newcastle d. 1875 Lucy HOOKWAY b. 8.2.1880 Burwood OWEN, Edwin Richard b.3.5.1894 Hunter Street, Cooks Hill Ivan J Owen - This is the spelling on Sandgate Records. Buried 30 Oct 1896

Mary HUDSON - On St John Marriage Register -born at Parramatta Father - Thomas Hudson - Sail Maker, Mother - Sarah Lambert. James Gregory occupation - Miner - I hope this helps as I only have access up to Reel 123 at my local libraries.

ELSIE SHARPE d. 17.5.1961 in Qld (Place not on record) F-James Gregory, M - Hudson.

It's great to have all these birth dates. More gaps filled! Best wishes, Jan

Quality of data: secondary evidence
DeathDeath Certificate - Sarah Gregory (Nicholson)
Citation details: 1880/008468
Quality of data: primary evidence
DeathGregory Family Bible
DeathG - Deaths Registered in New South Wales
Citation details: GREGORY SARAH 8468/1880 DENIS MARY NEWCASTLE
Quality of data: primary evidence
BurialDeath Certificate - Sarah Gregory (Nicholson)