Mid North Coast Pioneers - Newcastle to Lismore and beyond

Ellen VALENTINEAge: 29 years18491878

Name
Ellen VALENTINE
Given names
Ellen
Surname
VALENTINE
Married name
Ellen JAGELMAN
Birth about 1849 44 34
Citation details: V18491295 66/1849 VALENTINE ELLEN JOSHUA MARGARET
Citation details: 2 August 2010
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Hi, Joseph Joshua Jagelman's mother is Ellen Valentine born 1849 in Sydney and died in 1878 in Sydney she was the daughter of Joshua Valentine {convict}bn c1805 London and Margaret Brennan bn c1815 Castlecommer Kilkenny Ireland. Joshua Valentine was a convict arriving in Australia on the ship 'NORFOLK' in 1825. Margaret Brennan arrived in 1840 on the ship 'ROYAL CONSORT' as a free person. I am a decendant of Joshua and Margaret's youngest child Louisa Valentine who married John James Delohery in 1876. With regards Aileen Robson.

Birth of a sisterMargaret VALENTINE
about 1851 (Age 2 years)
Citation details: V18511248 141/1851 VALENTINE MARGARET JOSHUA MARGARET
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V1851192 68/1851 VALENTINE MARGARET JOSHUA MARGARET

Birth of a brotherJoshua VALENTINE
about 1852 (Age 3 years)
Citation details: V18522541 69/1852 VALENTINE JOSUA JOSUA MARGARET
Birth of a brotherHenry VALENTINE
about 1853 (Age 4 years)
Citation details: V1853861 71/1853 VALENTINE HENRY JOSHUA MARGARET
Birth of a sisterLouisa VALENTINE
October 26, 1856 (Age 7 years)
Address: 15 Harrington Street
Informant: Joshua VALENTINEfather
Citation details: 116/1857 VALENTINE LOUISA JOSHUA MARGARET SYDNEY
Birth Certificate - Valentine - Louisa
Birth Certificate - Valentine - Louisa

Note: Image kindly provided by Aileen Robson.

Death of a brotherHenry VALENTINE
about 1858 (Age 9 years)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 1120/1858 VALENTINE HENRY JOSHUA MARGARET SYDNEY
Residence 1861 (Age 12 years)
Address: Randwick Asylum
Citation details: 4 August 2010
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There is an entry for the Randwick Asylum for 1865 for four of the Valentine children; Ellen aged 10 years. margaret aged 9 years. Joshua aged 8 years. Louisa aged 5 years. The children were put into the Asylum as their father had no visible means of support for the family an the mother was a hopeless drunkard. The children were discharged to their parents on the 12 June 1860 after they paid 5 pounds with the assurance that Mrs Valentine was a reformed person.

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Index Entries PAGE No. ENTRY No. SURNAME FIRST NAME ALIAS AGE SERIES ITEM REEL 142 423 VALENTINE Ellen - 10 28 Mar 1861 NRS 13362 1 1865 143 425 VALENTINE Joshua - 8 28 Mar 1861 NRS 13362 1 1865 143 426 VALENTINE Louisa - 5 28 Mar 1861 NRS 13362 1 1865 142 424 VALENTINE Margaret - 9 28 Mar 1861 NRS 13362 1 1865

Death of a brotherJames VALENTINE
July 1868 (Age 19 years)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 850/1868 VALENTINE JAMES JOSHUA MARGARET SYDNEY
Publication: Daily newspaper centred in Sydney
Citation details: 10 July 1868, page 8
Funeral Notice - Valentine James
Funeral Notice - Valentine James

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Burial of a brotherJames VALENTINE
July 10, 1868 (Age 19 years)
Publication: Daily newspaper centred in Sydney
Citation details: 10 July 1868, page 8
Funeral Notice - Valentine James
Funeral Notice - Valentine James

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Religious marriageJoseph Samuel JAGELMANView this family
August 23, 1869 (Age 20 years)
Address: St. Charles's Church - Roman Catholic Villa Maria Holy Name of Mary Parish
Citation details: 3409/1869 JAGELMAN JOSEPH VALENTINE ELLEN RYDE
Citation details: 2 August 2010
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Hi, Joseph Joshua Jagelman's mother is Ellen Valentine born 1849 in Sydney and died in 1878 in Sydney she was the daughter of Joshua Valentine {convict}bn c1805 London and Margaret Brennan bn c1815 Castlecommer Kilkenny Ireland. Joshua Valentine was a convict arriving in Australia on the ship 'NORFOLK' in 1825. Margaret Brennan arrived in 1840 on the ship 'ROYAL CONSORT' as a free person. I am a decendant of Joshua and Margaret's youngest child Louisa Valentine who married John James Delohery in 1876. With regards Aileen Robson.

Publication: Daily newspaper centred in Sydney
Citation details: 8 September 1869, page 9
Mariage Notice - Jagelman - Valentine
Mariage Notice - Jagelman - Valentine

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Birth of a son
#1
Joseph Joshua JAGELMAN
1869 (Age 20 years)
Citation details: Gedcom downloaded from Clan Cameron
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Christening of a sonJoseph Joshua JAGELMAN
February 6, 1870 (Age 21 years)
Address: St. James'
Citation details: Gedcom downloaded from Clan Cameron
Quality of data: secondary evidence
Marriage of a siblingHenry KEEFEMargaret VALENTINEView this family
about 1871 (Age 22 years)
Citation details: 829/1871 KEEFE HENRY VALENTINE MARGARET SYDNEY
Birth of a daughter
#2
Caroline Ellen JAGELMAN
about 1872 (Age 23 years)
Citation details: 7 August 2010
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Extract from MSWord document attached to email:

Joseph Samuel Jagelman (b. 28 Nov 1847, d. 21 Sep 1912) Joseph Samuel Jagelman (son of Joseph John Jagelman and Mary Ann Tumilty)7 was born 28 Nov 1847 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, and died 21 Sep 1912 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. He married Ellen Valentine on 1868 in St James, Sydney, New South Wales, daughter of Joshua Valentine and Margaret Brennan.

More About Joseph Samuel Jagelman: Date born : 28 Nov 1847, Sydney. Died : 24 Sep 1912, Rose Bay.

More About Joseph Samuel Jagelman and Ellen Valentine: Marriage: 1868, St James, Sydney, New South Wales.

Children of Joseph Samuel Jagelman and Ellen Valentine are: i. +Joseph Joshua Jagelman, b. Dec 1869, Sydney, d. 07 Apr 1947, Chatswood ii. Caroline Jagelman, b. 1872, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, d. 1936 iii. John Henry Jagelman, b. 18747, d. 1876

Birth of a son
#3
John Henry JAGELMAN
about 1874 (Age 25 years)
Citation details: 2743/1874 JAGELMAN JOHN HENRY JOSEPH ELLEN SYDNEY
Marriage of a siblingDaniel J VALENTINEBridget COONEYView this family
about 1874 (Age 25 years)
Citation details: 781/1874 VALENTINE DANIEL J COONEY BRIDGET SYDNEY
Marriage of a siblingJoshua VALENTINEMary BURNSView this family
about 1874 (Age 25 years)
Citation details: 113/1874 VALENTINE JOSEPH J BURNS MARY SYDNEY
Death of a fatherJoshua VALENTINE
January 9, 1875 (Age 26 years)
Address: 70 Harrington Street
Cause: Marasmus senilis (Progressive atrophy of the aged)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 587/1875 VALENTINE JOSHUA DANIEL ELLEN L SYDNEY
Publication: Daily newspaper centred in Sydney
Citation details: 11 January 1875, page 8
Funeral Notice - Valentine - Joshua 1875
Funeral Notice - Valentine - Joshua 1875

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Citation details: 4 August 2010
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Joshua Valentine died on the 9 January 1875 at Harrington Street in the Rocks area of Sydney and was buried at Haslem's Creek which at the time was just outside the boundries of where Rokewood Cemetery would be located.

Death Certificate - Valentine - Joshua
Death Certificate - Valentine - Joshua

Note: Image kindly supplied by Aileen Robson.

Burial of a fatherJoshua VALENTINE
January 11, 1875 (Age 26 years)
Cemetery: Haslems Creek General (now Rookwood Necropolis)
Citation details: 4 August 2010
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Joshua Valentine died on the 9 January 1875 at Harrington Street in the Rocks area of Sydney and was buried at Haslem's Creek which at the time was just outside the boundaries of where Rookwood Cemetery would be located.

Publication: Daily newspaper centred in Sydney
Citation details: 11 January 1875, page 8
Funeral Notice - Valentine - Joshua 1875
Funeral Notice - Valentine - Joshua 1875

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Marriage of a siblingJohn James DELOHERYLouisa VALENTINEView this family
Type: Religious marriage
May 6, 1876 (Age 27 years)
Address: St. Patrick's
Citation details: 433/1876 DELOHERY JOHN VALENTINE LOUISA SYDNEY
Citation details: 2 August 2010
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Hi, Joseph Joshua Jagelman's mother is Ellen Valentine born 1849 in Sydney and died in 1878 in Sydney she was the daughter of Joshua Valentine {convict}bn c1805 London and Margaret Brennan bn c1815 Castlecommer Kilkenny Ireland. Joshua Valentine was a convict arriving in Australia on the ship 'NORFOLK' in 1825. Margaret Brennan arrived in 1840 on the ship 'ROYAL CONSORT' as a free person. I am a decendant of Joshua and Margaret's youngest child Louisa Valentine who married John James Delohery in 1876. With regards Aileen Robson.

Marriage Notice - Delohery - Valentine
Marriage Notice - Delohery - Valentine

Note: Image downloaded from National Archives of Australia.

Death of a sonJohn Henry JAGELMAN
about 1876 (Age 27 years)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 882/1876 JAGELMAN JOHN JOSEPH ELLEN SYDNEY
Death of a brotherDaniel J VALENTINE
February 22, 1878 (Age 29 years)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 407/1878 VALENTINE DAVID JOSHUA MARGARET SYDNEY
Death about 1878 (Age 29 years)
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 946/1878 JAGELMAN ELLEN JOSHUA MARGARET SYDNEY
Citation details: 2 August 2010
Text:

Hi, Joseph Joshua Jagelman's mother is Ellen Valentine born 1849 in Sydney and died in 1878 in Sydney she was the daughter of Joshua Valentine {convict}bn c1805 London and Margaret Brennan bn c1815 Castlecommer Kilkenny Ireland. Joshua Valentine was a convict arriving in Australia on the ship 'NORFOLK' in 1825. Margaret Brennan arrived in 1840 on the ship 'ROYAL CONSORT' as a free person. I am a decendant of Joshua and Margaret's youngest child Louisa Valentine who married John James Delohery in 1876. With regards Aileen Robson.

Family with parents - View this family
father
mother
Marriage: November 10, 1841Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia
14 months
elder brother
Thomas J VALENTINE
Birth: about 1842 37 27New South Wales, Australia
Death: about 1842New South Wales, Australia
2 years
elder brother
4 years
elder brother
James VALENTINE
Birth: about 1846 41 31New South Wales, Australia
Death: July 1868Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia
1 year
elder brother
Daniel J VALENTINE
Birth: about 1846 41 31Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia
Death: February 22, 1878Surry Hills, , New South Wales, Australia
4 years
herself
3 years
younger sister
2 years
younger brother
2 years
younger brother
Henry VALENTINE
Birth: about 1853 48 38New South Wales, Australia
Death: about 1858Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia
4 years
younger sister
Father’s family with Julia DIAS - View this family
father
step-mother
Convict uniform as punishmentJulia DIAS
Birth: calculated 1807England, United Kingdom
Death: about 1841Parramatta, , New South Wales, Australia
Marriage: September 13, 1831Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia
Family with Joseph Samuel JAGELMAN - View this family
husband
herself
Marriage: August 23, 1869Hunters Hill, , New South Wales, Australia
4 months
son
4 years
daughter
Caroline Ellen JAGELMAN
Birth: about 1872 24 23Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia
Death: August 18, 1936Balmain, , New South Wales, Australia
3 years
son
John Henry JAGELMAN
Birth: about 1874 26 25Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia
Death: about 1876Sydney, , New South Wales, Australia

BirthBirths registered in New South Wales.
Citation details: V18491295 66/1849 VALENTINE ELLEN JOSHUA MARGARET
BirthEmails - Aileen Robson
Citation details: 2 August 2010
Text:

Hi, Joseph Joshua Jagelman's mother is Ellen Valentine born 1849 in Sydney and died in 1878 in Sydney she was the daughter of Joshua Valentine {convict}bn c1805 London and Margaret Brennan bn c1815 Castlecommer Kilkenny Ireland. Joshua Valentine was a convict arriving in Australia on the ship 'NORFOLK' in 1825. Margaret Brennan arrived in 1840 on the ship 'ROYAL CONSORT' as a free person. I am a decendant of Joshua and Margaret's youngest child Louisa Valentine who married John James Delohery in 1876. With regards Aileen Robson.

ResidenceEmails - Aileen Robson
Citation details: 4 August 2010
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There is an entry for the Randwick Asylum for 1865 for four of the Valentine children; Ellen aged 10 years. margaret aged 9 years. Joshua aged 8 years. Louisa aged 5 years. The children were put into the Asylum as their father had no visible means of support for the family an the mother was a hopeless drunkard. The children were discharged to their parents on the 12 June 1860 after they paid 5 pounds with the assurance that Mrs Valentine was a reformed person.

ResidenceIndex to the Randwick Asylum for Destitute Children, 1852-1915
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Index Entries PAGE No. ENTRY No. SURNAME FIRST NAME ALIAS AGE SERIES ITEM REEL 142 423 VALENTINE Ellen - 10 28 Mar 1861 NRS 13362 1 1865 143 425 VALENTINE Joshua - 8 28 Mar 1861 NRS 13362 1 1865 143 426 VALENTINE Louisa - 5 28 Mar 1861 NRS 13362 1 1865 142 424 VALENTINE Margaret - 9 28 Mar 1861 NRS 13362 1 1865

MarriageMarriages registered in New South Wales.
Citation details: 3409/1869 JAGELMAN JOSEPH VALENTINE ELLEN RYDE
MarriageEmails - Aileen Robson
Citation details: 2 August 2010
Text:

Hi, Joseph Joshua Jagelman's mother is Ellen Valentine born 1849 in Sydney and died in 1878 in Sydney she was the daughter of Joshua Valentine {convict}bn c1805 London and Margaret Brennan bn c1815 Castlecommer Kilkenny Ireland. Joshua Valentine was a convict arriving in Australia on the ship 'NORFOLK' in 1825. Margaret Brennan arrived in 1840 on the ship 'ROYAL CONSORT' as a free person. I am a decendant of Joshua and Margaret's youngest child Louisa Valentine who married John James Delohery in 1876. With regards Aileen Robson.

MarriageNewspaper - Sydney Morning Herald
Publication: Daily newspaper centred in Sydney
Citation details: 8 September 1869, page 9
Mariage Notice - Jagelman - Valentine
Mariage Notice - Jagelman - Valentine

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DeathDeaths Registered in New South Wales
Publication: New South Wales Government
Citation details: 946/1878 JAGELMAN ELLEN JOSHUA MARGARET SYDNEY
DeathEmails - Aileen Robson
Citation details: 2 August 2010
Text:

Hi, Joseph Joshua Jagelman's mother is Ellen Valentine born 1849 in Sydney and died in 1878 in Sydney she was the daughter of Joshua Valentine {convict}bn c1805 London and Margaret Brennan bn c1815 Castlecommer Kilkenny Ireland. Joshua Valentine was a convict arriving in Australia on the ship 'NORFOLK' in 1825. Margaret Brennan arrived in 1840 on the ship 'ROYAL CONSORT' as a free person. I am a decendant of Joshua and Margaret's youngest child Louisa Valentine who married John James Delohery in 1876. With regards Aileen Robson.